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how do you even do math with that thing? Text-based meme

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u/Dalimey100 𝐿𝒶𝓌𝒻𝓊𝓁 𝒮𝓉𝓊𝓅𝒾𝒹 6d ago edited 6d ago Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy Natural 20

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1: It's promoting hate based on identity or vulnerability

You're right, deal with it.

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u/Embarrassed_Ad_1141 6d ago Helpful

At this point it's part of the roleplaying experience

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u/burf 6d ago

Medieval system of measurement for a medieval fantasy!

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u/MohKohn 6d ago

Honestly, even freedom units are way, way better than medieval ones. What's that, you mean you don't want to play a system where literally every other town uses slightly different units, only sometimes matching their neighbors?

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u/Darcosuchus 6d ago

"How much are the eggs?"
"A five-spooner is worth two heads, and a head is worth three fingers."
"What."

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u/TTOF_JB Ranger 6d ago

Which was the style at the time.

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u/Cellyst 5d ago

In the village of Redd

In the land of the dead

The money was shingles

Not chips, and not pringles

Four pince make a scabbard

Twelve shingles a thcabbard

And five bees to a quarter, they said

Five bees to a quarter they said

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u/WibbyFogNobbler 5d ago

"Apple is two coins."

"But that's twice as much as yesterday."

"And there's more demand today."

"Fine. This is a Denarius, as big as two coins just as you can see..."

"Nope, two coins is two coins, fancy name or not."

SIGH

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u/Darcosuchus 5d ago

I did not expect a Castlevania reference, but I am pleasantly surprised.

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u/youngcoyote14 Ranger 5d ago

The protagonists of Castlevania aren't characters. They are damn moods.

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u/Zeracannatule 5d ago

Shit... I killed the sexy twins while in a mood... the avoid getting killed by sexy twins mood.

Stuck something outside my tent the other day, all ai could think of is that I started raising pikes outside my tent.

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u/Fulrem 5d ago

Now let's work that out in guinea, sovereign, crown, florin, shilling, tanner, groat, penny, and farthing equivalents. Thanks Charlemagne for the weird division of old coinage...

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u/Darcosuchus 5d ago

Shit was made purely for annoying (but ultimately easy) math puzzles, I swear to god.

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u/waltjrimmer Paladin 6d ago

The Human rogue slid behind a rock just as a torrent of flame blasted right where he had been. He yelled back to the rest of the party, "He's about two-hundred and fifty feet in front of you." A massive angry mixture of a growl and a roar could be heard coming from the freshly singed section of the arena. "Damn it! Lob the grenade now!"

Expecting to hear the sounds of magical mischief from the magic grenade, instead, the rogue hears the Dwarven cleric inquire, "Whose feet?"

"What?"

"Whose feet? I feel like this is a fair question."

"Not, no, not anyone's feet, Olidammara I can't believe this, THE UNIT OF MEASUREMENT!"

The Elven Monk pipped up with a timid voice explained in an understanding tone, "We understand that. But you must know, not everyone's feet are the same."

"I, yeah, no, I get that. But. It's a standard. A standard unit of measure. I don't understand why this has to be a big deal!"

"Well," the monk conceded, "It is a standard unit, but not the measure."

"What the FUCK does that mean?"

"Listen, boy!" The cleric shouted to the rogue, "Everyone measures things in feet, yes, so it's a standard. But how do you expect us Dwarves, living deep in mines in the mountains, to have the same measure of feet as you surface-dwelling, city-building, house-living humans? Should we cut them off you and have them on plaques to reference? You want us to take a pair of human feet for every Dwarven craftsman? ... Well?"

"No..."

"So you have to understand, you need to specify. Are you talking about the clodding feet of us Dwarves, the puny feet of Elves, the massive feet of Halflings, the floppy feet of you Men, the-"

"I GET IT! Alright! I get it! And I never... Fucking... I never stared at your disgusting feet, alright! It's not something I ever wanted to think about or focus on, so I don't have any Olidammara-blessed clue how big they are compared to mine! So what unit of measure can I use to tell you how far away this thing is?"

The rogue heard frantic whispering from his comrades on the other side of the stadium. They seemed to come to a consensus and the monk asked, "Would you be able to tell us how many paces?"

The rogue sighed and tried to picture his travel from the cover his friends were hiding behind to the monster. "I don't know. Probably about... A hundred?"

"Wonderful. Susan, take this, run 100 paces, and then hit that thing with it."

"What? NO! NOT SUSAN!"

But it was too late. The Ork, tightly gripping the magical grenade, bounded past the creature, past the rogue, out of the colosseum, and out of sight. The rogue sat in silent stunned disbelief until the great sound of a magical explosion from down the street shook the colosseum around him.

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u/MohKohn 5d ago

Hahahahaha, my gods, amazing

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u/EstarriolStormhawk 5d ago

I love Susan the Ork

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u/youngcoyote14 Ranger 5d ago

This is too damn familiar.

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u/Defiant-Peace-493 6d ago

Now that you mention it, that sounds like a lovely plot point.

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u/Flossthief 6d ago

Having different currencies for different regions is lovely too but it's a pain in the ass to convert numbers all the time

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u/Spideredd 6d ago

I tried it once.
If I need to break out the calculator, it's not woth everyone's time.

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u/Flossthief 6d ago

Yeah

Already hard enough to get the whole group together for a long session; no need to waste bany more time than we do

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u/kino2012 5d ago

One of my favorite games, 7th Sea, has about 10 countries in a "definitely not Europe with the names changed a bit" kinda setup, and of course each country has their own unique currency. Most of the time we just use Guilder, the common coin of trade minted by "definitely not the Dutch", but sometimes I have fun with it.

I once had my entire party in an antique shop haggling with the mute store owner with a currency they weren't familiar with. It was basically about an hour of playing charades in between scouring the store for the magical item they knew had gotten mixed up with all the miscellaneous junk.

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u/wsdpii 6d ago

I did a simplified version of this where I said "you get 13 Elven Drakes, worth 600 gold total". It's more for flavor.

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u/mindbleach 6d ago

David Graeber: "Gold and silver coins are distinguished from credit arrangements by one spectacular feature: they can be stolen."

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u/IceFire909 5d ago

just do a lite version of it and have a town trading exclusively in electrum

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u/the_marxman 6d ago

It would be funny, though way to complicated, if every race had their own set of measurements for everything.

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u/Myrddant 6d ago

You know what, you're right about that. It does help with the immersion to leave behind a logical and modern system when you're adventuring in a faux medieval realm of gold coins, swords and filthy peasants #Versimillitude

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u/duschin 6d ago

Can I interest you in some Electrum?

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u/TheColorWolf 6d ago

It's so annoying, because electrum is a real metal, one that was used BCE, that's actually more durable than gold. It for sure should have been used. Like, get rid of platinum as a currency and move electrum and gold up a tier each.

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u/PM_ME_UR_POKIES_GIRL 6d ago

I mean... Electrum is in the game halfway between silver and gold. so...

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u/ChronoMonkeyX 6d ago

Electrum is an alloy of silver and gold.

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u/Heimerdahl 5d ago

A quick Google search showed that electrum has similar hardness as gold and silver (both of which it is an alloy of), and might well be somewhat harder. Wikipedia states that it makes for better coins, because it's harder and more durable but doesn't give any sources.

But even if it was harder there's a reason why gold is the choice for treasur: It doesn't tarnish like silver does (and also electrum). Gold will always look shiny and new.

And a reason why electrum coins stopped being widely used: How do you know how much gold is in your electrum coin? Electrum is found in natural deposits, so the exact composition is somewhat random. If you were to artificially create it, how could anyone make sure you didn't cheap out on the gold?

Much more sensible (if requiring more expertise) to separate the gold and silver and get rid of that issue. Especially in a setting where magic can probably help with that.

Electrum coins are neat, but I'd argue they don't really make much sense.

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u/Sardukar333 6d ago

Three barley corns is 1 inch.

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u/KalyterosAioni 6d ago

My barley corn is bigger than yours

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u/phallecbaldwinwins 6d ago

Remember when Henry VIII beheaded his orc wife with a vorpal blade for not bearing him any male heirs? Classic mediaeval history, at it again.

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u/barnesarama_2 5d ago

Anne Boleyn was a tiefling warlock not an orc. Her supernumerary digits are the give away.

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u/phallecbaldwinwins 5d ago

The other-other-other Boleyn girl.

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u/Galaxy_Ranger_Bob 5d ago

It could be worse. They could have made the mistake Shadowrun makes and use "metric," but make cm equal inches, kilometers equal miles, and grams equal ounces.

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u/Fjolsvithr 5d ago

Using their wonderful conversion system, a typical man might be 72cm and weigh 2.7kg.

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u/Galaxy_Ranger_Bob 5d ago

It's actually the other way around. Everything is longer, heavier and hotter. You can become over encumbered if you carry too many bullets in your firearm.

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u/Daikataro 6d ago

Made up, sometimes nonsensical measurement system; perfect for made up, sometimes nonsensical world.

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u/Emyrssentry 6d ago

All measurement systems are made up.

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u/Defiant_Dragon_ 6d ago

Which coast did you think they were wizards of?

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u/Undead_archer Forever DM 6d ago

The sword one?

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u/C_KOVI 6d ago

As long as it isn’t the vampire one I’m good

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u/Laranna 5d ago

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u/Mal-Ravanal Chaotic Stupid 5d ago

Inhales

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY, HE’S ARISING FROM THE DEEP!

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u/Pookieeatworld 6d ago

Ain't no party like a west coast party cuz a west coast party has wizards.

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u/sleepytoday 6d ago

But they’re wizards. They have a prerequisite INT of 13+!

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u/Elda-Taluta 6d ago

They're wizards, they have a predilection for using strange and unknowable terminology.

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u/SpunkedMeTrousers 6d ago

not if they're straight-classed

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u/RedditSucksNow3 6d ago

Equality for gay Wizards NAOW!

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u/Worried_Highway5 Paladin 6d ago

It’s only a prereq for multiclassing.

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u/RASPUTIN-4 6d ago

Right, with an Int that high complicated numbers aren’t a challenge so they see no reason to change it.

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u/Ackapus Psion 6d ago

Ain't it the one where they spread the ashes of TSR after capturing it and burning it to the ground?

International players should just be happy they aren't dealing with THAC-0 anymore, the ungrateful bastards....

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u/Big-Man-Headass 6d ago

I literally just don't even notice it anymore, even on battlemaps.

When someone says like 20 feet I just think "okay 4 squares"

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u/EggAtix 5d ago

This. It's not like you need to know inches or yards. It's just feet. Pretend it's arbitrary units.

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u/Tilt-a-Whirl98 5d ago

And if you think about it, they all are!

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u/Archduke_of_Nessus Wizard 5d ago

Yes, all of literally everything human civilization and society is based around is for the most part basically completely arbitrary and made up

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u/Ardub23 Sorcerer 5d ago

You mean to tell me that the distance light travels during 656616555⁄21413747 times the ground-state hyperfine transition period of a caesum-133 atom isn't an objectively straightforward and natural unit of distance?

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u/NateNate60 5d ago

The original definition of the metre is one ten-millionth the distance from the North Pole to the equator, running through Paris. Why 10 million? I guess maybe because it resulted in a reasonable length to produce metre sticks?

Why Paris? Because the French came up with this system and had to get back at those damn Britons convincing the world the prime meridian ran through Britain and not France.

They didn't measure it exactly right though, but it's close enough that if you look up the circumference of the earth, you'll see it's 40,008 km. Not bad considering they were able to figure this out at a time when the best map-making tools available were a string, protractor, and a compass.

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u/Sriol 5d ago

This is the best explanation of a second I've seen yet. And you didn't even stutter xD

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u/justanewbiedom 6d ago

Yeah my brain works entirely in squares when it comes to DND I don't have a sense of scale for anything but hey I know how many turns of movement someone is away from me

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u/IceFire909 5d ago

i have a friend who counts movement in squares. like 9 squares for the 45ft movement monk.

which is totally fine, but it really threw me off when they were helping and counting aloud as i was counting in my head, because i count in increments of 5 for my 45ft movement range

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u/bw-hammer 6d ago

That’s a god forsa ken font if I’ve ever seen one.

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u/papaquack1 DM (Dungeon Memelord) 5d ago

Not long ago things like this and misspellings would basically invalidate your post.

But here we are and no one is even addressing how to spell international.

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u/UristImiknorris 5d ago

I read it with a French accent.

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u/BizWax 5d ago

Funny, my inner voice chose Spanish instead.

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u/IdoMusicForTheDrugs 5d ago

Nobody caught this. I had to scroll to the bottom of the comments section to see someone mention this.

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u/GingerOrchid 6d ago

The kerning is horrible.

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u/CarolineTheGeek 5d ago

Should take it to r/keming...

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u/tehnemox 6d ago edited 6d ago

Am Canadian. We already use a mix of imperial and metric depending on the situation anyway, so doesn't bother me none. Just don't ask me to use it outside of d&d

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u/PrettyMermaid97 6d ago

Same over here in uk, never had an issue with dnd using imperial

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u/Aedaru 6d ago

Apart from weights. I've never seen anyone measure anything in lbs, it's always grams, kilograms, or stone.

Distances I can work with, but the weights still make no sense to me

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u/Laranna 5d ago

What the fuck is stone?

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u/CaptSaveAHoe55 Bard 5d ago

Wait real question, does anyone outside of the UK use stone? Because out here in eagle land we laugh at you for that one

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u/Archduke_of_Nessus Wizard 5d ago

No because it's dumb, at least with yards they're roughly equivalent to both a meter and a typical stride

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u/per08 Barbarian 5d ago

It was an inherited common way to measure people weight in Australia, too. My parents bought a bathroom scale calibrated in stone well into the late 80s.

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u/Mylexsi 5d ago

2.2lbs to 1kg

0.45kg to 1lb

unless you're working with fairly large numbers, it's close enough that you can just double or halve the number to get a rough mental estimate

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u/tehnemox 6d ago

I use pounds for weight as a preference. Only time I used kg was when I was in the wrestling team.

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u/Lukey_Boyo 6d ago

A lot of the Anglo-sphere uses the imperial system colloquially, the US is just the only one to still use it officially

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u/A-Faris 6d ago

I mean even colloquially its very conditional. I would never say that something is 10 miles away for example. I absolutely use feet/inches when speaking about height even tho its listed cm on my drivers license though.

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u/alienbringer 5d ago

The US also does use metric for some things. A lot of foreign vehicles and the like use metric, soda comes in liters, food often include weight in grams.

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u/FistFullaHollas 6d ago

Metric when you're talking about how far away something is, imperial when you're talking about someone's height. Metric when describing how hot it is outside, imperial when you're asking what temperature the pool is.

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u/tehnemox 6d ago

Never did use imperial for pool temp, it's just hot, warm, or cold lol.

Distance driving is in time tho. Metric for how fast you drive to get there ;)

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u/StpdSxySzchn 6d ago

I can't wait until the world wakes up and starts using a metric system of time measurement.

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u/kpd328 5d ago

They tried it. It didn't work. So the SI just said "fuck it, we're using the current system"

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u/StpdSxySzchn 5d ago

It would be easy. If we just slow the sun's rotation cycle we can stretch out the hours a little.

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u/Archduke_of_Nessus Wizard 5d ago

It's almost like the universe isn't based on a system with powers of ten and is in fact somewhat arbitrary just like most people and the human experience in general

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u/aibossu22 6d ago

That spelling of international confuses and angers me at the same time.

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u/jdro120 5d ago

Thank you! Everyone arguing metric v imperial and nobody commenting on the god damn c

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u/Lithian1103 6d ago

I'll tell you what's Godforsaken, that awful font.

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u/Stetson007 DM (Dungeon Memelord) 6d ago

Don't blame us, blame England! They're the ones that sunk the boat carrying the measurement devices. We would've been one of the first using metric if England hadn't have been assholes.

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u/kaimcdragonfist Monk 6d ago

Heck they still use Stone as a measurement and we just let them get away with it

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u/MegaMaster89 6d ago

What the fuck is a stone?

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u/kaimcdragonfist Monk 6d ago

14 pounds. According to wikipedia it's mainly used in the UK and Ireland for human body weight, particularly in sports like boxing, wrestling, and horse racing, apparently.

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u/DocSwiss 5d ago

You're right, and that's pretty much all it's used for. The UK's weird like that, only using certain measurements in certain situations, like beer and milk being measured in pints and every other liquid in litres, unless it's fuel specifically to measure efficiency then it's gallons.

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u/MegaMaster89 6d ago

Neanderthals

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u/rightarm_under 6d ago

Monkey weigh 12 rock. Monkey big and strong.

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u/Sturmgeschut 5d ago

How much unga bunga he weigh

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u/S1R2C3 6d ago

1 Stone = 14 Lbs. = 6.3503 kg

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u/TacTurtle 6d ago

A round hard thing on the ground, or found in peaches.

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u/IlIIlllIIIlllIlIlIlI 5d ago

What backwater wasteland do you live in that refers to the thing in the middle of peaches as a "stone" rather than a "pit"

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u/FieldMarshalFry_II 6d ago

That was pirates!

Sure those pirates were in the pay of the crown to sink French shipping… but they were still pirates!

And it’s that ships fault for being French!

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u/StaleSpriggan DM (Dungeon Memelord) 6d ago

Aren't pirates in service to a country called privateers?

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u/FieldMarshalFry_II 6d ago

The line is… very blurry

Sir Francis Drake for example is seen as a hero in Britain and served in the Royal Navy, but a pirate in Spain

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u/TriadHero117 DM (Dungeon Memelord) 6d ago

Being fr*nch is the real crime

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u/AntiBox 6d ago

As a Brit I do get a sensible chuckle out of people blaming America for it.

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u/Merc_Drew 6d ago edited 6d ago

At this point we just accept it

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u/bawbbee 6d ago

I mean really you should be blaming ancient Sumerians for getting everything started on a base 60 system.

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u/PingPingPoohole 6d ago Helpful

Serious question:

In-game, most of the time things are chunked in units of 5ft. or 10ft. I cant think of a time when I've had to actually figure out how many inches are in x amount of feet and so on. And as for miles, that really only matters in terms of how long it takes to get somewhere, which they literally give you a table for.

So with things being chunked in simple to understand numbers, and the answers being given to you for the larger stuff, what exactly is the problem? Is it just a conceptual issue? Like it's hard to visualize what 10 feet looks like because you're not used to seeing that?

P.S. Love the metric system. Wild as fuck that we don't use it here in the US. Just trying to understand the problem.

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u/galiumsmoke 6d ago edited 6d ago

Like it's hard to visualize what 10 feet looks like because you're not used to seeing that?

that's the main reason I believe, eventually you will have to describe something that is not a multiple of 5ft. If you are native to metric system and describe a wall that is 50m high, you'll have to do some convertion to get things right when characters decide to climb it because their speed is in ft

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u/cnieman1 6d ago

Meters and yards are close enough you can treat them as being equal when describing something. So just multiply your meters by 3 and that's close enough in feet to give a reasonable description.

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u/puppyenemy 6d ago

It's no problem when you do things like combat, like you have 5 feet reach or 30 feet movement. That's easy because you're just moving in a grid anyway, easy to count. Five, ten, fifteen, twenty as you move your character or whatever. The only time this has been a problem that our group has run into is when the DM describes things like "you come to a wall that's about 8 meters tall / the ravine is about 20 meters deep / the raiders are about 150 meters away" and someone in the party wants to use a spell or an ability that has a certain range. There will always be a weird pause in trying to convert or look it up on Google. You'll read a spell that says the range is like 500 feet and you think that's really far, but it's really not. You wouldn't hit those raiders, for example.

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u/zookdook1 6d ago

you... actually would, 150m is just under 500ft. 492ft, to be exact.

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u/puppyenemy 6d ago

Yah I was thinking the other way around, as 500 feet is 152 meters. Ugh, conversions...

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u/Gooddest_Boi 6d ago

We do use the metric system in the us, it just depends on your profession how often you use it. We all learn it and given how simple it is it’s not as if we don’t understand it and can’t visualize it. Realistically it’s only Europeans that complain about the imperial system because they can’t understand both like we can, as they don’t learn both.

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u/Duhblobby 6d ago

There isn't one, people just like to give us shit about it.

At least this is kinder than assuming we all shoot up schools, let them have this one.

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u/Octopusapult 6d ago

Obesity too. Can't forget they love to talk about how fat we all are.

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u/Arxl 6d ago

The rest of the world is catching up, though lol

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u/lithuaniac 6d ago

The US isn't even in the top 10 for obesity rates.

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u/duschin 6d ago

I mean, that's true but kind of misleading. We're 12th and the 11 countries ahead of us are as follows:

Nauru (roughly 13k people total)

Cook Islands (roughly 17k people total)

Palau (roughly 18k people total)

Marshall Islands (roughly 42k people total)

Tuvalu (roughly 11k people total)

Niue (roughly 1900 people total)

Tonga (roughly 110k)

Samoa (roughly 220k)

Kiribati (roughly 130k)

Micronesia (roughly 110k)

Kuwait (roughly 4.3 million)

So yes, we're not in the top 10 but we're in the top 2 if you set a requirement of a million people minimum.

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u/sociallyawkward12 5d ago

Another way to put it: adding the 11 countries ahead of us is a population similar to 1 major US metro (Atlanta would be about the same size, and without Kuwait, its under a million and more in the ballpark of Albuquerque or Knoxville).

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u/Archduke_of_Nessus Wizard 5d ago

What this is really showing is that something is going on in a lot of island nations that's jumping the obesity rate, just taking a guess I would say it may have something to do with importing food and therefore needing more preservatives and stuff which may not translate as well nutritionally and maybe islanders are genetically less resilient to sugars or fats, kind of like how native Americans are more susceptible to alcohol, which would make it harder to process it faster and not just store it

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u/Cookie_Coyote Dice Goblin 6d ago

Sorry I have a rant about this:

Engineering and stuff like that all use both metric and imperial systems. The problem when they implemented metric in the 1970’s is that they made it optional.

The US was even part of the Treaty of the Metre in 1875 that created the metric system!

End angry engineer rant.

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u/TacTurtle 6d ago

America would have switched to metric except the measuring stick and weight were literally stolen by pirates which honestly is DnD AF.

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u/peanutthewoozle 6d ago

I worked on a bridge that was built in the imperial system, repaired after converting all drawings to the metric system, and then had to have another set of repairs after being converted back. Basically they tried to make builders use metric at one point, and they just refused to. And eventually regulations gave up forcing the issue.

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u/Lelebees 6d ago

At this point i have memorized the conversion for feet to meters

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u/galiumsmoke 6d ago

I always go back to 5ft = 1,5m and work my way up from there.

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u/jonas_rosa 6d ago

3ft=1m is close enough for me

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u/galiumsmoke 6d ago

when not in multiples of 5 things get weird, good thing I play online and google does quick conversion

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u/butt_mud-brooks 6d ago

All these people not living in America thinking we're dumb when in reality we're just doing math on hard mode.

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u/Darth_Senat66 Chaotic Stupid 6d ago

Well, it does seem like some nonsensical fantasy measurement system

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u/PM_Me_Rude_Haiku 6d ago edited 6d ago

Lol who would use a foot to measure things? Why not use a head width or a firearm or something. Crazy.

Edit: I meant forearm but I'm not changing anything now

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u/Eternal_Moose 6d ago

I mean, we may as well just use hands to measure height and stones to measure weight if we're just going crazy talk.

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u/GearyDigit Artificer 6d ago

But only certain things.

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u/Sinius 6d ago

Use stones to weigh stones. "This stone is two stones! This one's only half stone, though."

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u/czartrak 6d ago

The original imperial system was invented as a way for uneducated peasants to be able to construct things, everyone has feet and arms of roughly similar length, so you can yse them for imprecise measurements!

Forearm and such were in the original system, as well as hands

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u/PM_ME_UR_POKIES_GIRL 6d ago

One of the useful things about imperial measurements of weights and volumes is that for the most part they're all divisible by 4s, which means that if you have a lb of nuts and you need 4 oz of nuts, you split it in half and then split it in half again. Easy.

Same with volume. If you have a gallon of water and you need a cup of water, you measure half, half, half, half.

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u/AscelyneMG 6d ago

Using firearms as a system of measurement definitely sounds even more American.

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u/farshnikord 6d ago

I measure things in cheeseburgers per moon-landing on the regular for my work.

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u/PM_ME_UR_POKIES_GIRL 6d ago

I measure things in football fields, which really annoys my coworkers since I'm a microbiologist.

"Yes this microbe is approximately 0.00000328084 football fields in size."

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u/JojoFag420 6d ago

Funnily enough americas use the metric system for bullets

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u/assafstone 6d ago

You mean like .22, .38, or .45 caliber?

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u/galiumsmoke 6d ago

i think he means 9mm or 5.56mm. 5.56mm is because NATO, I don't know why 9mm measuring exists in the USA tho

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u/Pratai98 6d ago

Also because of NATO. We transitioned from using .45s to 9 mils mostly because of NATO

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u/mightystu 5d ago

More because you could hold more rounds in a magazine and most armed operators don’t need the stopping power of a .45 as their sidearm (which is tremendous, the 1911 is no joke of a pistol). Some special forces do still use it to this day.

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u/Pratai98 5d ago

The combat efficiency is also a factor, 9mm outperforms .45 in terms of weight, usually accuracy, commonality, and penetration, but 9mm is still standardized across most member nations. Pretty rare to see any US forces using .45s at all. And while I'm not a special forces guy I've been around some special forces guys and at the time they all had M9s.

As an aside (personal rant) as far as the stopping power is concerned it's completely irrelevant. That is assuming its a real thing which is still debated amongst a lot of gun nuts. If someone in military or law enforcement shoots someone, they are not trying to stop them, they are trying to kill them. The only thing that matters to the guy behind the trigger is shot placement, not energy expenditure into the target. Just so happens its easier to get 9s on target

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u/High_grove 6d ago

9mm originates from Austria and 5.56 Belgium.

Don't know any mm cartridges that originates from the US

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u/Truth_Hurts_Kiddo 6d ago

10mm was US wasn't it ? The FBI was experimenting with someone to replace the .45 and then finally landed on .40 S&W after trying out the 10mm.

Edit: nope just looked it up. The FBI adopted it but the Europeans invented it.

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u/TacTurtle 6d ago

5.56mm NATO was designed in the US using the .222 Remington as a parent case and lengthening the case and moving the shoulder forwards so each casing could hold more powder. The near-identical commerical equivalent to the 5.56mm was the concurrently released .223 Remington

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u/Chaike 6d ago

"How tall are you?"

"A carbine short of three rifles."

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u/Brianchon 6d ago

Yeah, I always check how far light went during 9192631770/299792458 vibrations of a cesium 133 atom, much more sensible

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u/TheIncredibleHork Rogue 6d ago

Well, I mean we DO have a Second Amendment. I could definitely get behind measuring things in AR-15s.

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u/Jerp_de_Derp 6d ago

"Yup Mike, I measured it, it is exactly 4 AR-15s long."

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u/Jerp_de_Derp 6d ago

"Damn what's the conversion from Glock to AR-15 again?"

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u/Taizan 6d ago

Edit: I meant forearm but I'm not changing anything now

Basically an ell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ell

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u/yosoyellogan DM (Dungeon Memelord) 6d ago

I’ve played Cyberpunk Red, and it’s all in metric, and it works for ranger combat but it doesn’t work for movement at all. As someone who uses metric on a daily basis for their job, sometimes imperial works better

But also CPR just kinda was fucked. Movement was in units of 2m, but squares on the grid are 3m each….why did they do that?

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u/Far_Counter1903 5d ago

America's system? Pretty sure it came from England. (And England still uses it too)

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u/Ebil_shenanigans 6d ago edited 6d ago

Honest question as I've asked this every time I've seen someone talk about how metric is so superior.

Metric was made as a base 10 system, right? Every measurement translates up by 10, meter to decimeter to centimeter to millimeter, or in the opposite direction, decameter, hectameter, kilometer. Joule, megajoule, gigajoule.

Why is it then, that it wasn't done with time measurement? Why not have second, kilosecond, mega second, etc? Why not turn a minute into a hectasecond and an hour into a kilosecond? Why make literally every measurement into base 10 except for time?

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u/Shadow-fire101 Warlock 6d ago

It's been attempted, it just never caught on. Plus at this point, there's so much global trade and stuff going on that if one country went metric for time, it'd fuck everthing up, so you'd have to convince basically the entire world to convert to it.

Plus the concept of years kinda fucks the whole thing up, since a year will always be roughly 365 days, and that kinda throws a wrench into things

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u/ANEPICLIE 6d ago

It's frequently used for fractional seconds, like nanoseconds. But we have standardization in terms of hours days months for the most part around the world so I guess people just don't think it's worth the hassle

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u/Aureo_Speedwagon 6d ago

As a software engineer that has to deal with time on a somewhat regular basis...

PLEASE! NO! Doing that is just asking for complete global meltdown. There's already too many different time implementations across the various languages and they all suck.

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u/JinxShadow 6d ago

Oh, I’m actually completely fine with it in DnD. It’s a fantasy measuring system, you know? 5 ft melee range now feels way more natural than 1,5 m.

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u/AlphaOhmega 6d ago

Oh I'm sorry I thought WotC was American!

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u/OllieFromCairo 6d ago

99% of the time a 5’ square is close enough to 2m that you don’t really have to care.

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u/Jahoota 5d ago

Beyond that, the unit of measurement is largely irrelevant. A square is 5. To move a square, you use 5 movement. Players generally have 30 movement.

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u/German_Von_Squidward Paladin 6d ago

FREEDOM FRACTIONS

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u/newagealt 6d ago

Look, a foot is your foot. 5 feet is one full pace. Stand, take one foot forward with your left foot, then your right. When your right hits the ground, that's a pace. One thousand of those is roughly a mile. These units are two thousand years old and based off of walking

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u/iaintb8 6d ago

This is actually wild. If true it makes the whole system make a lot more sense

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u/newagealt 6d ago

Yep. The imperial system is modeled after the Roman imperial system. The word mile comes from "Mille passus" or thousand paces

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u/iaintb8 6d ago

A thousand paces. So…. Imperial was metric before metric existed?

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u/newagealt 6d ago

Yes. Just based on the units you see in the real world.

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u/slvbros 5d ago

It translates almost directly in the US if your shoe size is 12, because our shoe sizes are just inches.

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u/ShinePale 6d ago

Cheers to that!

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u/FOFBattleCat Ranger 6d ago

Non-Americans when you ask them to imagine things with a different set of made up numbers

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u/Ihavenospecialskills 6d ago

Please tell me the source on that image, I need to know the context.

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u/I-M-R-U 6d ago

Don’t be ridiculous, America uses the metric system all the time. For drugs and bullet calibers

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u/DasHooner 6d ago

When I was taking machining in college, that's how I did very quick ball park conversions. .50"-12.7mm, .223-5.56, 7.62-.30 and so on. Worked very well when trying to check and see if the calculation you made close to where it should be. Or fro trying to use metric bits and such.

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u/BloodyHM Forever DM 6d ago

Yknow what my favorite thing about this is?

America didn't invent the system.

Sorry, this has been bothering me, but the IMPERIAL system CAME FROM the United Kingdom. They began to adopt metric in 1965. And they still actually use imperial for some things, just like there has been integration of the metric system in America, and a lot of the debate is that the metric system was created out of Europe because all the countries couldn't agree on one of their systems to convert to, so they made a new one. And America not switching is partial "freedom" and partial potential stupidity.

Idk man, it just seems funny because d&d, a game which is essentially in a fantasy midevil setting, uses the form of measuring things that based itself on things like "feet", or "Acres", instead of a system built for united trade.

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u/SayHietoKolobForMe 6d ago

You metric yahoos knows that the meter is based on the measurements of this planet and not Faerun? Smdh they have feet in dnd

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u/Dom-Izzy Forever DM 6d ago

Oh no, American company using American measuring. In all seriousness I understand the distaste but it’s not that difficult lol

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u/Thunderclapsasquatch Warlock 6d ago

I don't here nearly as much bitching from Americans that use metric based games though

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u/timo103 5d ago

Because we don't care.

In magical fantasy games it's all fucking relative. In divinity my character might move 1.7 meters per action point but it doesn't matter because it's just "move as far as possible without using another point."

You could replace that 10m distance on a board with 10ft and nothing would change.

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u/SmileyMelons 6d ago

It's so sad that Europeans have to walk on pegs since they're so scared of feet....

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u/RadLord_08 6d ago

I like using it because it's easier for me to visualize believe it or not

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u/browsing4stuff 6d ago

Okay but it’s not half as bad as the font you just used.

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u/Googalyfrog 5d ago

I will admit that imperial does work better in the sense of 5ft being so much smoother to say than 1.5m (2 syllables vs 5 syllables).

You could just use the term 'squares' as a stand in and then use the more sensible metric system. It would honestly help with understanding the scales of things, weights etc.

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u/zero_cool1138 5d ago edited 5d ago

He's 1.3m tall he's a tall man. Metric actually sucks in a lot of ways.

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u/dodgyhashbrown 6d ago

You struggle to count in increments of 5?

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u/RuneSimonsenTheBard 6d ago

The only thing I use The metric system for is judging how far I got to shoot. Everything else is in freedom units

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u/protection7766 6d ago

Britains system*

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u/cold_ravioli 6d ago

Is the imperial system needlessly dumb? Yes.

Is it REALLY that complex? No, it's really not.

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u/Darth_Boggle 6d ago

Increments of 5 are much easier than increments of 1.5

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u/GobboGhoul 6d ago

But I love using Cunning Action to move an extra 30 Burger King Whopper units.

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u/rextiberius 6d ago

Imperial is for people, metric is for math. Which is easier to measure a gnome, about 2ft or 0.78m? Because 1m is too tall, and 0.5m is too short. So you have to say 78cm or something. Pretty much all dnd measurements can be explained like this

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u/Nebulant01 5d ago

I actually prefer using imperial units for dnd, despite being european. They are closer than metric to what people in a medieval setting would use, and it improves immersion in my opinion. I would never use imperial units in real life though, too needlessly complicated.